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Back on the water question! You have said in your presentations that OSB is a small diameter wood application that has a remarkably low water consumption compared to other applications such as biomass power plant or ethanol. Can you be specific?

Sure! Our OSB plant is going to require approximately 34,000 gallons of process water per day (see "Low water consumption"). For comparison a 24 megawatt biomass power plant such as the one being built in Snowflake is going to require approximately 400 gallons of water per minute or about 600,000 gallons per day; and an ethanol plant such as the one projected in Camp Navajo is going to require from 400 to 600 gallons per minute, or about 600,000 to 850,000 gallons per day.

Basically, biomass electricity or biomass ethanol consume about 18 to 25 times more water than OSB...

 

Why does AZFRP use a yield of 10 ccf per acre in their business plan - but only 8 ccf per acre in their sustainability study - while the data from the White Mountain Stewardship Contract shows only 5.5 ccf per acre? Does this make sense?

Now this is really a core question that deserves a complete answer. Let us go step by step.

Factual data from the Coconino National Forest shows that across the 8 sales that are currently under contract and the two that have closed in the last 6 months or so, the average yield is 8.2 ccf per acre. Similar data from the Kaibab National Forest for the south part of the forest shows an average yield of 7.6 ccf per acre. Additionally, the Goshawk Demo treatment in the south Kaibab yielded in average 9.2 ccf per acre. And indeed the average over 2 years for the White Mountain Stewardship Contract is 5.5 ccf per acre. This is the data.

Is it inconsistent? Actually not... Does it make sense? Actually yes...

  • First, it is normal to have a slightly lower yield for the Kaibab (7.6) than for the Coconino (8.2) because the Kaibab is in average lower in altitude and is therefore dryer. This is reflected in growth and in tree size, both in diameter and height.

  • Second, it is normal to have a lower yield in the Apache-Sitgreaves (5.5) because of two reasons:

    1. Typically, wildland urban interface (WUI) prescriptions are implemented to thin "from below" even-aged stands, and they in fact retain a fairly high basal area (BA). Contrarily to popular perception, these WUI prescriptions actually yield less ccf per acre than the "groups & clumps" prescriptions implemented by the Kaibab and the Coconino that thin uneven-aged classes.

    2. Additionally, and primarily, most of the White Mountain Stewardship Contract is currently harvested off the Sitgreaves forest that was consistently thinned out for 37 years since it was the closest and lowest-cost fiber supply for the Snowflake mill. Consequently, the Sitgreaves has significantly less overgrowth than the Coconino and the Kaibab, and yields less ccf per acre during restorative thinning.

  • Third, it is normal to have a higher yield in the demo treatment in the south Kaibab (9.2) because the Goshawk guidelines were implemented in this prescription, while they were not in the typical treatments performed otherwise by the Kaibab and the Coconino.

So, how can we estimate the correct average number for the coming few years?

There are two change factors that need to be integrated into the yield analysis over the coming few years:

  1. As the Apache-Sitgreaves starts implementing the Goshawk guidelines in 2007, the yield of the White Mountain Stewardship Contract will increase somewhat. How much is the question... Contrarily to some belief the Goshawk guidelines do NOT increase dramatically the amount of wood thinned, so it is not unreasonable to think that only maybe 1 to 2 additional ccf will be harvested per acre. This will raise the average yield to something between 7 and 8 ccf per acre. Too, as Goshawk guidelines are more often implemented in the Kaibab and the Coconino, yields are also going to increase slightly. It is not unreasonable to project 8 to 9 ccf per acre in the Kaibab, and 10 to 11 ccf per acre in the Coconino.

  2. Additionally, many of the current prescriptions do not remove enough fuel from the forest for sustained natural balance, and do not meet the restoration principles outlined in the "New Mexico Forest Restoration Principles" or the Arizona Forest Health Advisory Council "Guiding Principles For Forest Ecosystem Restoration and Community Protection", and will need to be retreated with 15 to 20 years. This is contrary to the purpose of restoration. If genuine restorative thinning is to be implemented so that it truly returns the forest to its pre-settlement fire-adapted ecology and so that maintenance can then be performed through managed low intensity ground fires, then it is not unreasonable to expect yields to increase across the board by another 1 to 2 ccf or so per acre. Apache-Sitgreaves will then yield in average 8 ccf, Kaibab 10 ccf, and Coconino 12 ccf per acre.

So what is the overall "magic" number for the next 10 years?

Like for everything else, everyone has an opinion. We at AZFRP believe that there is good data and good science to support for the coming few years an average of 8 ccf per acre. This is why we used this number in our sustainability analysis. This also make us err on the conservative side in our 20 year analysis, which is always good when looking at sustainability...

We also believe that this average will increase to 10 ccf per acre as acceptance for genuine restorative thinning that truly returns the forest to its pre-settlement fire-adapted ecology becomes more understood, more common, and more implemented. Since we will not actually start implementing prescriptive treatments until essentially 2009 (2007 will be dedicated to engineering and permitting, 2008 & 2009 to construction, and the production tests in late 2009 will absorb wood already harvested - see "Time Table") we have used in our business plan the number of 10 ccf that we believe will be a reality by the time we start restorative treatments, and for some time after that.

Acknowledgment: we are grateful to Apache-Sitgreaves' Kerry Nedrow, Coconino's Kim Newbauer, and Kaibab's Jerry Drury for sharing their data and contributing their science and expertise to the interpretation of this data, but all the positions expressed in this website are AZFRP's positions only and cannot be construed as reflecting or indicating positions of U.S. Forest Service personnel.
 

Why does AZFRP quote a range of wood consumption rather than a specific number?

This is a very good question! Wood consumption depends on the product mix during manufacturing. For example, it goes much faster to produce OSB 3/8" thick than it goes to produce OSB 3/4" thick, hence if the plant only produces thin commodity board at high speed, it requires more wood than if it produces thick specialty OSB at low speed, even though there is obviously more wood strands in thick OSB. Since we are investing in an equipment that has the capability to produce OSL (oriented strand lumber) up to 2" thick, we fully intend to manufacture as much OSL as the market demands, because even though OSL is considerably slower to press, its commercial value is significantly higher than that of OSB and competition is limited.

So, in term of wood consumption, a technical maximum capacity of 680 million square feet of OSB 3/8" thick converts to a maximum possible wood requirement of 374,000 ccf. But in reality we will never do this because it does not make business sense. The real-world output of the plant will include a product mix heavily centered around thick OSB and OSL. This will reduce by as much as 50% the square footage manufactured, while maintaining the economic viability of the company with a higher-value product. This is why we are talking about a range of 25,000 to 37,000 acres treated per year, because it will depend on the actual product mix, with a very high probability that the actual number will be somewhere in the 28,000 to 32,000 acres.

 

Do environmental groups support AZFRP?

AZFRP is sincerely convinced that it brings to the ecological restoration and fire protection "table" the missing link of small diameter economically viable use that has been absent between the use of biomass for co-generation of electricity, wood pellets, ethanol, etc. and the use of large timber for high quality furniture or decorative beams such as used in "vigas" or "latillas." AZFRP is not a big conglomerate that would want to impose its ways, we are a small local company created from an Arizonan grassroots effort by Arizonans for Arizona, we want to operate within a community consensus, and we intend to remain this way (yeah, I know, I speak kind of a funny Arizonan, but if we all go back to our roots, we all came from Europe at one time or another!)

A rational analysis of our plan shows that:

  • there is a broad consensus that ecological restoration of the forest is urgently needed (see "Forest Ecological Restoration");

  • the utilization that we project clearly fits this goal since our production equipment is geared toward the use of small diameter trees harvested during thinning, typically from 5 to 12" dbh (see "Manufacturing Process");

  • the utilization that we project is clearly sustainable (see "Sustainability of Appropriately Sized Utilization"); 

  • the proposed OSB plant is clearly appropriately sized (see "Sustainability of Appropriately Sized Utilization"); 

  • the water consumption is clearly not only sustainable but virtually neutral since we plan to use almost entirely recycled water out of Winslow's treatment plant (see "Low Water Consumption"); 

  • we are committed to an environmentally-sound thinning of the forest (see "MasterLogger and ProLogger Programs");

  • we are committed to support other utilizations of the forest and to spread the synergistic effect of our critical mass to all the local small wood industries (see "Biomass");

  • we are committed to support by all possible means, including our own dollars, the management of the forest as demonstrated by our novel approach to decline cash payments during the execution of our Stewardship contracts (see "A New Approach to Stewardship Contracts");

  • we are committed to openly work with all local constituencies as demonstrated in these very pages and in our numerous outreach activities (see "Press Releases" and other Q&A down in this page);

  • we are committed to seek long term ecological guidance from the ecological management experts and to contribute to the education of the public about ecological forest management (see "Forest Ecological Management Advisory Board and Foundation");

  • we provide a solution to the forest management problem that public funding or other private biomass industries are  not able to provide (see "Why Arizona Forest Restoration Products");

There are many emotional issues about the forest, and there are more than forest issues to the environment. We recognize this. There is also the legitimate need to get to know us, to learn our project, to verify that we have addressed all the issues, to understand us, and to come to the conclusions that we are sincere. We recognize this too. In the end, we are confident that we will be appreciated for who we are: another useful tool in the forest management toolbox; and that the environmental groups will express a strong support. We need and seek this support. We have received and continue to receive numerous private expressions of it, and we look forward receiving public expressions of it.

 

Is AZFRP promoting a new monoculture of harvesting only small trees, that in the long run will be just as damaging as the old monoculture of harvesting only large trees?

Absolutely not! First, AZFRP will not make ecological management decisions; these will be made by the Forest Service. AZFRP will only execute on the ground the prescriptions decided by the Forest Service. Second, AZFRP supports the concepts of multiple age group management and of mosaic pattern management so that the forest indeed looks like a forest, not like a tree farm, and so that the requirements for preservation of local endangered species, such as the opening of flight corridors, are integrated into a holistic approach to forest management.

 

Where does AZFRP gets its data? Is it reliable?

AZFRP uses data published by the Rocky Mountain Research Station of the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service. This data is widely accepted by scholars and researchers as credible and reliable, and its accuracy is unchallenged.

Two publications are of particular interest to those interested in the Arizona and New Mexico forests:

  - Resource Bulletin RMRS-RB-2: "Arizona’s Forest Resources, 1999"

  - Resource Bulletin RMRS-RB-3, "New Mexico’s Forest Resources, 2000"

Narratives include a wealth of summarized information, and the numerous tables provide all the raw unbiased data that one could possibly want. We highly recommend that those interested in actual data use these resources, as the data that they provide clarifies many commonly held perceptions not always entirely accurate... For your convenience we have linked the title of these publications to the Forest Service website where you can download them free of charge.

 

Is AZFRP's wood consumption sustainable?

Oh yes! Using the most conservative assumptions that only 50% of the Arizona ponderosa pine forest requires thinning and that thinning operations harvest only 8 ccf per acre, and without even accounting for re-growth in the areas thinned, the rational calculation of sustainability utilizing the scientific model demonstrates that Arizona Forest Restoration Products' utilization is sustainable because after 20 years, at the end of life of its OSB plant, Arizona Forest Restoration Products will have absorbed only about half of the currently existing backlog of over 11 million ccf of wood to be thinned for ecological restoration. Further, Arizona Forest Restoration Products consumption is nowhere near sufficient for completing the treatment of 50% of the northern Arizona forest before it becomes due again in 20 to 30 years. In other words, the forest will be growing and re-growing about twice as fast as AZFRP will be able to consume wood... (see "Sustainability of Appropriately Sized Utilization" for complete and detailed sustainability analysis).

 

Is AZFRP's OSB plant appropriately sized for the northern Arizona forest?

Yes. Arizona Forest Restoration Products' annual consumption represents only typically around 4% to 7% of the annual available wood balance, hence the existence of the OSB plant does not threaten in any respect the existence of other wood industries in northern Arizona. To the contrary, the existence of Arizona Forest Restoration Products will create the critical mass necessary to the birth of a new "green" wood industry since the by-products of our ecological thinning operations will be available to co-generation plants, wood pellets plants, ethanol plants, high-value decorative lumber operations, etc. (see "Sustainability of Appropriately Sized Utilization" for complete and detailed appropriate size analysis)

 

Will AZFRP cut mature trees?

AZFRP will not make prescriptive or ecological decisions but will apply the restorative prescriptions decided by the Forest Service in collaboration with the ecological constituencies. We have no use for large diameter trees and our production plant will actually not be able to use large diameter trees. If multiple age groups prescriptions are implemented during the treatment of some sections of the forest and if large trees are harvested, it would be ridiculous to chip them into OSB. Such trees are much better used for high-value applications such as decorative beams and such, and we will make this wood available to the other businesses that we hope will grow with us in northern Arizona as we all implement together a rational forest treatment program.

 

Will AZFRP compete with other local wood industries already existing or trying to establish themselves?

No. AZFRP is only one of the players in the inventory of solutions available to manage the forest. We have no pretense of being a one-size-fit-all solution. To the contrary, we see ourselves as one of the links in the chain that goes from the highest value-added grand old timber best used in decorative beams, to the lowest value-added biomass best used in cogeneration of electricity. We do not think of ourselves as being in competition with other businesses that were created to serve the energy markets or the timber markets. We see ourselves as being actually able to contribute a critical mass effect to the entire value chain by filling the huge "small diameter gap", say from 12" down to 5", where the wood is too small for lumber applications, and too big for being truly considered biomass. In this synergistic role, our OSB operation will cause wood to become available to all the local industries, based on the ecological prescriptions that the Forest Service decides to implement.

 

What will happen to the existing White Mountain Stewardship Contract if AZFRP seeks stewardship contracts from the Forest Service?

Nothing. The White Mountain Stewardship Contract will continue to be executed by those who hold it, and the industries that it supports will continue to develop. Actually, since the White Mountain Stewardship Contract generates more wood than the local industries are able to absorb, AZFRP will seek to purchase wood at a fair market price from the operators of the White Mountain Stewardship Contract. This in turn will allow them to implement timely their contract and will further strengthen their businesses.

 

Is there enough wood in Arizona for an OSB plant?

Oh yes! A maximum capacity of 680 million square feet of 3/8" OSB annually seems enormous but actually is not all that much: the construction market absorbs weekly over half a billion square feet! Actually, considering that we will produce both thin OSB (3/8", 7/16", etc.) and thick OSB (up to 1" 1/2) our actual production will probably be around 450 million square feet and we will probably treat around 30,000 acres of ponderosa pine forest every year, spread between probably at least 7 forests (Coconino, Kaibab, Apache-Sitgreaves, Gila, Cibola, White Mountain, and Chuska). To put things in perspective, the Forest Service 10 Year Plan calls for the annual thinning of a strict minimum of 93,000 acres in northern Arizona and Western new Mexico - they would do much more if they had the budget for it! - (see "National Forests"), and the existing ponderosa pine forest covers in Arizona alone almost 3 million acres (see "Arizona Wood Sources"). We will only treat only about 1/3 of the area prescribed as a minimum by the Forest Service, or, in other words, we will only treat approximately 1% of the forest annually.

 

Will AZFRP consumes large amount of water?

No. The manufacturing of oriented strand board (OSB) consumes remarkably little water compared to other industrial uses of the forest biomass such as ethanol or "green" diesel production: typically 12 gallons of non potable industrial water are used per ton of low value small diameter logs transformed in high value added oriented strand board (OSB). We will consume daily approximately the same amount of water as 97 households, but this water will not be potable water; it will be essentially reclaimed water from the Winslow water treatment plant (see "Low Water Consumption")

 

Is AZFRP the disguised "front" of a large wood conglomerate?

No. AZFRP is fully owned by local Flagstaff residents. Investment participation is limited to a few Southwestern investors, and the capital required to build the production plant is raised through debt. AZFRP has no connection whatsoever with any conglomerate and is a grassroots effort to provide a local utilization solution to a local problem of hazardous fuel accumulation in our forests. We aim to restore the forest, provide good paying local jobs, and earn a living doing it.

 

 

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